Viktor Schauberger (1885 – 1958), though little known, is one of the great geniuses of this or any century.
In an attempt to, as he put it, "build a better mousetrap," Frank Germano — a former aerospace engineer, professional musician, and president of a company that made Tesla-design turbine engines — became aware of Schauberger's work.
"It was," Germano says, "stuff I was never taught in college. I never even knew it existed."
Susan: How did Viktor Schauberger make his discoveries about water?
Germano: Schauberger was not technically educated. He was a naturalist, a forester. He observed nature. He watched rivers. He watched the way water flowed. He wondered how it was that fish, with very little exertion of energy, could be moving upstream in a fast-flowing river, and he started to put things together in his head. That was how he discovered the principle of implosion and the energy of the vortex.
Susan: Could you explain how that works and why it's important?
Germano: Vortexes exist throughout the natural world — tornados, hurricanes, whirlpools. If you look at a vortex of water, you see that when water is forced to spiral in this way there is an imploding effect at the center of the flow. And, when water is put into a spiral vortex pipe, for some peculiar reason, this effect actually eliminates the effect of friction on the wall of the pipe.
But what Schauberger saw was that the implosion effect not only negates friction, it actually adds energy. In other words, the water picks up speed.
So if you put into a pipe certain kinds of guides that force the water into a spiral vortex, the water flows faster. This "whirling spiral" shape is found throughout nature.
Susan: What does implosion mean?
Germano: Basically, it's inward movement. At the center of a vortex, things are imploding — cooling and condensing. It's nature's natural functioning. Everywhere you look, you see examples of implosion.
Water meanders like a snake. In a river, it hits the left bank, rolls inward, forms a clockwise spiral vortex, then starts straightening out, releasing energy. Then it hits the other bank and starts spiraling counter-clockwise. And it's because of temperature variations that we have this movement of water. Water seeks to be at 4 degrees Celsius (about 39.4 degrees Fahrenheit). It's called the "anomaly point." At 4 degrees Celsius, water is at its most dense state. So whenever the water is cooler or warmer than that, energy is created as it seeks to reach that point of stability, the point where it's the most dense.
This is why one of the worst things you can do is to deforest the banks of a river. It's not just because this causes erosion. If trees are there, then each bank receives the sun's rays part of the day. So there is a balance. The heat shifts back and forth because of the trees, and the energy differential creates the energy of the river.
When you look at the mechanics of the Earth, isn't it amazing how balanced it is? The ocean contains moving currents. Rivers flow. This marvelous machinery is all at work because water is continually seeking to be at its anomaly point.
So it's the differences in temperature, the implosion effect, that creates the vortex energy. If you kept those differences in balance in a tornado, for example, the tornado would go on forever. The shifting of the sun's energy from side to side in a river keeps the river in balance.
Observing all this, Schauberger advocated "putting a tornado in a box." Sustaining this implosion effect. To quote Schauberger: "I must furnish those, who would protect or save life, with an energy source, which produces energy so cheaply that nuclear fission will not only be uneconomical, but ridiculous, This is the task I have set myself in what little life I have left." If we could actually get to the point of sustaining that implosion effect, you would see engines that just continuously run, using the wheelworks of nature itself.
Susan: And I understand that you've created a super-efficient engine that makes use of this idea.
Germano: Yes. It started with a turbine engine built according to the patent of Nikola Tesla. As a boy, I was fascinated by Tesla, and later, while working as an engineer, I decided to build the Tesla Bladeless Disk Turbine, which involves an engine that's much more elegant and efficient than standard engines in current use.
The Tesla design worked! I now had a product that investors considered marketable, and this led to the formation of my company, International Turbine and Power, LLC.
So then I found Schauberger's implosion and vortex energy ideas, and used them to make the Tesla turbine even more efficient.
Susan: Could you discuss some of the other applications for this technology?
Germano: The most obvious application is to use flowing water to power the turbine. When I say "flowing water" I am not talking about using current technology that requires building a dam, where the hydroelectric energy comes from gravity. Schauberger's work proved that there is more energy available by forcing water to flow into a spiral vortex than is available by free-fall of comparable footage. The technology is very simple and can be implemented today. We can supply industrial quantities of electricity to any community simply by using water power from rivers — without a dam — and it is totally ecologically sensible and sustainable.
Another application would be to get power from the Earth's oceans. For example, if you were to sink a deep well in the middle of the ocean, putting a pipe down to the level where it meets the 4-degree anomaly point, the water below that point would be relatively deoxygenated. So then if you were to pump water down into that pipe, water that was highly oxygenated, the water below it, which was "starved" for oxygen, would seek that level. And as this oxygen-starved water sought the oxygenated water, it would be forcefully "ejected" back up the pipe to the surface level, under great pressure and velocity. A device like our Bladeless Disk Turbine would easily capture that energy from the flowing water and, through a generator, convert it to electricity. Again, this is ecologically sensible power generation.
This principle can be used in air conditioning and heating systems. The temperature differential creates energy, and this energy not only can be used, but it's very efficient. A home or building that was temperature controlled with this type of technology would use only about one-third of the electricity of standard systems currently in general use.
Susan: Does your company carry these kinds of systems?
Germano: Yes, we've got all that ready to go.
Susan: I guess I just don't understand. If there are engines out there that are three times more effective than the kind we are using, why doesn't everybody have one? If there are heating and air conditioning systems that could save people so much money and energy, why doesn't everybody know about this?
Germano: This is the problem we're facing. I don't really have the answer. We're not going to run out of fossil fuels. What we're going to run out of is our ability to live on the planet. The misuse of fossil fuels is a worldwide problem. For whatever reason, we're treating energy the wrong way. And we do have the technology to change this. What we don't have is the infrastructure. It would take billions of dollars.
Susan: My guess is that the fossil fuel industry doesn't want this to change. It wants us to consume more and more fossil fuels.
Germano: Just to begin with, we never, ever needed to use fossil fuels in the first place. We could have used water all along and not had this pollution problem.
Once a water-power driven plant is built, the energy is now "free" from nature. It's non-polluting, and it lasts as long as the river lasts. You get ecologically sensible alternative energy. If you were using the river's energy correctly, you could easily power the entire United States on just the Mississippi.
The cost of solar and wind energy is still too high. But water power is right there, readily available. Our Tesla Turbine engine simply carries that energy. It's basically a "better mousetrap": a bladeless disk engine, very simple, very easy to understand, and we took that a little further by forcing the water into a spiral vortex.
Susan: We've talked a lot in the Spirit of Ma'at about water-powered cars...
Germano: We should have had a hybrid electric drive vehicle a long, long time ago. It is simply a better way to use our technology. Electric powered cars are much more efficient.
We are just now seeing hybrid drive cars coming out from the auto manufacturers. The problem is that the infrastructure does not exist to supply hydrogen for alternative energy vehicles.
But yes, water itself can be used as a fuel. For example, there is the Hunt Hydrogen Thermolysis Reactor. We've had extensive negotiations with them. The Hunt Reactor is simply a technology that liberates hydrogen from water for use as fuel. It splits water into hydrogen and oxygen. Run that through a turbine and what are the "pollutants" that come out the tailpipe? Water vapor!
So it's not just about using implosion technology to make more efficient fossil-fuel engines. It's also about using water, including the power of flowing water, to create energy in the first place. I sometimes wish I could go back in time and talk to Henry Ford.
Susan: Let's talk about drinking water, now. I understand that Schauberger had very definite ideas on that subject.
Germano: Schauberger said that if you took the most absolutely pure water you could find, that water would literally rob you of vital nutrients, because that type of water is absorbing.
Susan: You mean, instead of giving, it takes.
Germano: Yes. According to Schauberger, that is the worst water we can possibly drink. Surface water soaks up nutrients from our bodies. It has nothing to offer us. And yet we drink mainly surface water: water from lakes and reservoirs.
For drinking, we need mature, vitalized water. Water does have a memory (see Digital Biology and the Memory Effect of Water); it gains properties as part of its "history," and we receive those properties when we drink it.
Water rises in a vapor, condenses in a cloud, and falls down to the ground as rainwater, and that water is not good to drink. It has few of the possible life-giving "properties" that water can possess. It's not until water's gone through a natural process that it begins to carry the strengthening and healing characteristics of the Earth.
It's also important how we store water. Way back in the earliest civilizations, they stored water in egg-shaped clay pots. The ancients knew about water. They knew that the water could actually "breathe" in that clay. When you look at the outside of a clay pot that's storing water, you can see the condensation. And based on implosion dynamics, the egg shape of the old water jars caused a kind of spiraling, so that the water was continually moving in the pot.
So we store water wrong, we move it wrong, where we're getting it is wrong, and we're totally destroying all the health benefits that water can give us.
Susan: You talk about water's gaining "properties" in its journey through the Earth and into our groundwater. What exactly are these properties?
Germano: That's the subject of a lot of research, and much more is needed. It needs real scientific study. Our bodies are made mostly of water, so why wouldn't we just want to investigate what kind of water is healthy and what kind is of most benefit to us?
If someone told us we couldn't eat meat or drive our cars, people would be screaming. But our water supply is not healthy and it's dwindling and nobody seems interested.
If you dumped an eight-ounce cup of water in an Olympic-sized swimming pool, you could taste it. You would not want to drink that water. Yet we dump oil into the ground and it goes into our drinking water supply, and nobody cares.
We take water for granted. We go, "Yup, there's water."
But water is a mysterious substance. Our planet and our bodies are mostly water. It amazes me as a scientist that people do not want to investigate how we can make our water the best it can be.